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  •  03-11-2008, 2:00 AM 24965

    JCP - Inverse Head & Shoulder Formation?

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    Aqua,

    I was just looking at your JCP stock.  Technically, if the $40 support level holds and price rallies back above $52-$53 area then you have an inverse head & shoulder formation which is very bullish.  If the price falls below $40 then you will be in a world of hurt and depending on the support level @ $37 or low spike made back in January. 
  •  03-11-2008, 11:55 AM 24979 in reply to 24965

    Re: JCP - Inverse Head & Shoulder Formation?

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    The second part of your message doesn't concern me; the stock trades like it did in 2000 when everyone felt the stock would go bankrupt; it going down 2/3 is the exact opposite of it tripling in value It trippled in value from 2000 to 2002, since the company turned around and has been successful ever since (although its stock price would suggest otherwise). With its current cash level, bankruptcy is nearly impossible in my opinion; it's just not going to happen. The company is doing well, but it had sluggish sales last year (down 6.9%); despite the sluggish sales, it's had an impeccable control over inventory. I am very confident with the company and believe it has competent management to weather this downturn; it's in a tough industry in its motive to try to be an all things to all people as it's not defined as a high-end (like Nordstrom's, JWN) or a low-end (like TGT and WMT).

    I do think that JCP is an indicator why just using support and resistance levels is ludicrous; the rate of change (ROC) is more important to me that merely support and resistance levels. The ROC has been positive and that should be a bullish sign for the stock. If you were watching this stock carefully, the stock hit a low of around $34 per share before it spiked to $50 per share. I took some off the table and bought them back at a lower price. I do understand that support and resistance is where the options action is, but over the long-term, I don't agree with its methedology. I believe that it is management and the sector that determines the company's success or failure. I don't believe that retail will be dead to online retail, especially clothing retail because you need to try clothes on and there's a shopping experience. Computer makers aren't trying to make you stay inside your home more, but go outside more so I don't see it going away anytime soon.

    No one has a crystal ball to see where the stock is headed. When I bought the stock, I knew it would be my longest hold to date and I believe that it being an 18-30 month pick may pay off. Maybe I should have bought XRT instead and than bought this stock if it traded in the 50s and 40s, but heinsight is always 20/20. If I would have resorted to XRT, I think I would have shorted the market instead at 14,100 instead of relying on that retailer to repeat its 2000-2002 performance. I like your heading about it being a reverse head and shoulders pattern since I think that is the factor, along with its financials, that will dictate it's move higher.

    Aqua
  •  03-13-2008, 11:00 AM 25081 in reply to 24979

    Re: JCP - Inverse Head & Shoulder Formation?

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    Looks like the inverse head and shoulders formation got busted today.  Lets see if Jan.'s low support holds.  I hope so...my mom owns this one.
  •  03-13-2008, 11:51 AM 25082 in reply to 25081

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    I feel that looking at support and resistance levels are too short-term oriented. If you really want to understand a company, I can show you how to read the financials which are just as important if not more important than the technicals. While the technicals might tell you where a stock is going in the next month or so, the fundamentals can tell you where it will be in a year or more. It's also important to look at the 10-K and insider transactions. It was this information that made me to buy GOOG very close to its 52 week low.

    Go see a JCPenney for yourself; it's crowded. I've been very happy with the stores, but I'm not happy with the stock; it's essential to differentiate the two. They're not one of the same. I go inside a Kohl's and its usually barren (maybe 3 customers in the entire store!). The big question is whether the customers that go inside a JCPenney are buyers or browsers. From the information gathered, it looks like they may have been browsers but it was a tough Christmas. I think the rebate check will turn them into buyers as customers are overdue on clothing.

    There are three factors that make me optimistic on the stock:
    1) Children's clothing was doing well (much better than the 4th quarter)
    2) The stores are jammed so there definitely is buyer interest
    3) The inventory levels were up 7% but with the 50 new stores are up very little on a same-store basis

    What I am interested in when I purchase a stock are 1) its prospects and 2) its cash / long-term liabilties. I desire companies that can pay their debt easily, thus I'm a conservative investor who doesn't really like leverage even if it can mean higher returns.  JCPenney has twice the cash ratio of all its competitors.

    Look at VMWare; it's financials are much better this year, but the stock got hit. Last year, it looked like a bankrupt company, but it saved, saved, saved and it now looks like a very strong company.

    I don't see how tech is expensive; to me it looks awfully cheap compared to its 2,800 price level in October. I always try to think in relative terms.

    The dollar may head lower only if the US Treasury Department chose to print more money. I don't see it going higher than 1.62 against the Euro or 97 against the Yen. I think Gold might go up to 1,100 (1,200 tops) but then will come back down (crashing down).

    I am wondering what happens if the global growth story fades away. What happens if Europe enters a depression because its central bank wasn't as proactive as our Fed? They are about 6 months laggards to our market. I still think Asia (ex-China and India) is a great play.

    Aqua
  •  03-30-2008, 1:04 AM 25995 in reply to 24965

    Re: JCP - Inverse Head & Shoulder Formation?

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    The inverse head and shoulders formation failed late this past week.  On Friday it looks like there was a large volume of institutional selling.   Sorry about that Aqua.  Are you still holding it?
  •  03-30-2008, 12:55 PM 26005 in reply to 25995

    Re: JCP - Inverse Head & Shoulder Formation?

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    Yep. I plan to hold it for a while. Thanks for your concern. I'm making money in other ways just not on this stock. There's nothing in the fundamentals that suggests this price level; the price level should be double based on typical fundamentals (PEG, PE, cash-flow, and new prospects). Inventory is about 7% higher than last year, but they largely succeeded in selling it during the 4th quarter, $3.6 billion is the inventory figure for Feb. 2008. It is definitely taking a beating due to sales volatility but nothing that appears in its long-term prospects to be damming. The lower guidance resulted in a 7.5% reduction in value.

    Unfortunately, I own a few shares and put down $40 into an option contract, but I hold other investments as well and thankfully, they've been doing well. I would change my mind if management suddenly went on a spending spree or tried to take on too much inventory. I'd sell even at $25 per share if that occurred, but currently, it looks like they are handling the economic environment with care and are being responsible. I also feel that being a low-end retailer that tries to have some traditional merchandise is a difficult feat to muster. I think it's in between a Target and a Macy's and since it doesn't specialize, it will have particular difficulty. I think the CEO handles the business model well and I'm satisfied with the company's management.

    I'm betting on a good Christmas within the next two years and that's what I want to ride; it is in my opinion a short economic slowdown. I also feel that while the rebate checks will be used to pay off debt, I'm betting on the fact that people will use their credit cards once again and be back in the same debt that they were before. I think this was an inevitable economic blip, since people were allowed to borrow themselves into oblivion, thus I look at the housing declines as an opportunity rather than as a casuality. I wished others would see it from the buyers angle since it is very attractive to buy a piece of property right now and it will get more attractive probably until the end of the year.

    I maybe should look into selling some of the position to buy COST or XRT so I can get at least some of the run-up. If I had bought XRT on Thursday, I would have been a very happy camper since I could have sold it and bought it back at lower levels. As of late, XRT and JCP have mainly moved in lock step even though JCP is supposed to have a higher beta value than XRT. I am looking at COP, VNQ, DRW, WPS, SLB, and T amongst others as possible investment opportunities, but I'm going to be less interested in a stock that has risen significantly over the last year unless it has a low PE and PEG and has good fundamentals. While CHK has a low PEG, I would probably prefer something like COP. There's something about a 50% run-up that really feels distasteful even if you could argue that it's currently growing at a good clip since that growth could come to an end.

    Aqua
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