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  •  12-20-2007, 7:41 PM 20285 in reply to 20263

    Re: E*Trade - ETFC

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    andy_youngzy:
    Kicking yourself yet? Better off shorting E-trade... Give it some time, E-trade may be a good bargin stock...


    Not yet! =)
  •  12-21-2007, 2:20 AM 20317 in reply to 20263

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  •  12-22-2007, 11:36 AM 20414 in reply to 20154

    Re: E*Trade - ETFC

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    zecco-jon:
    What's the consensus on E*Trade now? I picked some up at $3.68 for the heck of it.


    I decided its gonna be a long time till this comes back on its own , short term maybe they'll get buyout offer. time horizon to long for me in this account . There are no dividends ,so no reason to think this is a floor for it. Better shot with citigroup. now yields 7.3% if they cut dividend i will double holding after settles . never gonna pick exact bottom . This is keeper , already hated by everyone .
  •  01-09-2008, 12:26 AM 21331 in reply to 20414

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    You guys think it's heading to the dollar range? It looks pretty grim right now.
  •  01-09-2008, 12:53 AM 21338 in reply to 21331

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    It certainly did surprise me to see such a big dive again today. Looks like a classic dilemma by now: Will customers and investors stay calm enough to get E*Trade back on track, or is true panic taking over? They sure lost a lot of confidence, and customer assets recently.

    Interesting reads:
    http://money.cnn.com/
    http://www.businessweek.com/
  •  01-09-2008, 1:06 AM 21340 in reply to 21338

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    Very interesting reads. Does anyone remember the movie Sneakers with Robert Redford? It's a bit old. Herie s a quote from IMDB:

    http://www.imdb.com/

    Cosmo: Posit: People think a bank might be financially shaky.

    Martin Bishop: Consequence: People start to withdraw their money.

    Cosmo: Result: Pretty soon it is financially shaky.

    Martin Bishop: Conclusion: You can make banks fail.

    Cosmo: Bzzt. I've already done that. Maybe you've heard about a few?

    =)
  •  01-10-2008, 11:00 PM 21452 in reply to 21340

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    Whenever the new CEO is announced should market the bottom. I'm long this wayyy to high but I refuse to add more. Maybe I'll buy some more if it goes below $2. Gotta make it worth it now that I'm being charged $4.50 :(

    Good Luck with this one. Gonna be a nice ride....

    Scott
    http://www.advancedtrendanalysis.com
  •  01-10-2008, 11:05 PM 21454 in reply to 21452

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    Too much volume..for http://nothing...My guess would be a short...Iam not scared to take the http://Loss..So went for shorting ..lets see...how the market performs tomorrow

    Thanks
    Naren
  •  02-07-2008, 1:27 PM 23259 in reply to 21454

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    I just bought some at $4.72 today. I read something interesting from a good friend. This is it:
    Online brokerages trade and merge at 2-4% of client assets and 15x earnings. Based on these metrics E-Trade's brokerage, with 200b of client assets and 400m of earnings, is conservatively worth $5 billion. E-Trade Bank's Tier 1 capital is 3.6b, about 3.2b of which is held by the parent (400m is trust preferreds). Valuing the bank at 1x book and accounting for parent debt of 1.8b, total company value is about 6.5b or $15/share
    At 15x 2008 estimates E-Trade is a $20 stock, with solid growth from there
    from http://valueinvestors.com
  •  02-08-2008, 9:41 AM 23309 in reply to 23259

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    very happy with my decision!
  •  02-18-2008, 11:38 AM 23767 in reply to 23309

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    All things are speculation, but if you are in this to see double digits by March...probably not wise. Best to go long with this one and wait for market recovery. Having said that, $8/Share by Q4 is not unreasonable to expect.
  •  03-06-2008, 4:53 PM 24705 in reply to 23767

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    Added more @ 3.82, near the end @ 3.74.. After market around 3.66

    This stock is getting on my bad list along with JetBlue.

    I kind of feel like it's going lower Friday. I hope to hear some news of what's going on with it since I can't find any explaination yet.

    worst news I can find so far..

    "E*Trade ETFC declined 8%. Finerman said that JPMorgan analysts said the company's new CEO isn't the guy to fix the company." Thornburg, Meet Mr. Market, By Morgan Housel March 4, 2008
  •  04-10-2008, 4:56 PM 26777 in reply to 24705

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    From morningStar
    by Jaime Peters, CFA, CPA
    Thesis 04-02-2008

    A risky balance sheet has forced E*Trade to try to dispel bankruptcy rumors despite the profitable brokerage business for which it's best known. While the bankruptcy risk is not zero and we think this stock is only suitable for risk-tolerant investors, we believe E*Trade is likely to survive this mess.

    E*Trade took advantage of its list of affluent customers from its brokerage business and began offering banking products. The logic behind the strategy was sound: E*Trade could offer consumer deposit and loan products to its customers, benefiting from a steady and predictable stream of income that came with banking products.

    The problem is that E*Trade did not just stick to basic banking for current customers. E*Trade used its bank to take significant risks. It originated $3.7 billion of mortgages and home-equity loans for customers but purchased $25.6 billion of riskier wholesale loans. It also combined the purchase of safe government-agency-backed securities with riskier asset-backed securities such as collateralized debt obligations. When the subprime mortgage market blew up in late summer, E*Trade was forced to disclose higher loan losses and a deteriorating securities book. The weakness in E*Trade's strategy has become apparent. Customers and depositors read the awful headlines, panicked, and pulled out billions of dollars of deposits from the firm.

    In an effort to stop the bleeding, the company announced a massively dilutive capital infusion led by Citadel Investment Group and sold its troubled asset-backed securities portfolio for $0.27 on the dollar. Citadel now owns roughly 18% of E*Trade and has a seat on its board. The strict debt covenants on the capital infusion effectively prevent E*Trade from seeking another white knight, should the need arise.

    E*Trade's first priority is to avoid bankruptcy. The bank needs to maintain well-capitalized status in order to avoid violating covenants and regulatory problems. As of Dec. 31, E*Trade had excess capital of $418 million and expects excess capital to equal roughly $1 billion by the end of 2008. However, we believe higher loan losses could eat through the capital cushion over the next two years. If loan losses mount and the cushion starts to erode, E*Trade's well-publicized problems could panic customers and create a second massive withdrawal of deposits and brokerage assets, which could rapidly push the company to the brink of bankruptcy.

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