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  •  10-03-2007, 10:58 AM 14347

    Dividends and Taxes - Simple Questions from a Rookie

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    I'm TOTALLY new to investing so please bear with me.  I was hoping someone could help me understand dividends and taxes.  I basically just want to buy some stock s and ETFs and hold them for a while (at least a year or two) and then sell.  I'm understand the concept of dividends but not the tax implications.  From what I undersatand, Zecco does not automatically reinvest dividends for stocks and ETFs (but you can add this feature after your account is set up).  If the dividends are not automatically reinvested, is the dividend cash simply distributed to your Zecco account?  I'm not looking to receive a steady stream of income from my stock purchases so reinvesting the dividends looks like that would make the most sense to me.  But I'm not sure exactly what the tax consequences are for reinvesting dividends vs. taking cash dividends.  Could someone please explain this to me?   I'd like to try to figure out what would be the best route to take.  Any advice would be much appreciated.

     

  •  10-03-2007, 11:23 AM 14351 in reply to 14347

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    Hello  letsdothis99   Dividends are always added to your taxable income regardless if you take them in cash or reinvest them.

    In other words you have to pay tax on dividends in the year you get them no matter what you do with them.

    Hope that helps

    Good luck

  •  10-03-2007, 12:21 PM 14357 in reply to 14351

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    blaster:

    Hello  letsdothis99   Dividends are always added to your taxable income regardless if you take them in cash or reinvest them.

    In other words you have to pay tax on dividends in the year you get them no matter what you do with them.

    Hope that helps

    Good luck



    On a side note, I believe dividends are taxed at a lower rate than capital gains (which are profits from when u sell a stock). Not sure off top of my head, but I thought Bush implemented a law where dividends are taxed at 10%?

    Also, if you reinvest your dividends, I believe that also affects the cost basis of the stock you purchased. Since you paid tax on that dividend, you can subtract it from the purchase cost of your new stock when it comes to reporting Taxes on that new stock if/when you sell it.

    Someone double check me on all this. I'm a software engineer, not a tax attorney **disclaimer**




    Chad - ZEroCustomerCOnfidence
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  •  10-03-2007, 1:33 PM 14371 in reply to 14347

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    Dividends on US stocks can be generally  classified as follows: qualified and unqualified and foreign dividends

    Qualified Dividends are on stocks such as banks, conglomerates, and other "regular" companies.


    Unqualified Dividends are on closed end funds, REITS, interest on money market funds, and any entity that passes through income without being taxed at the company level.

    Qualified Dividends are taxed at 15%.

    Unqualified Dividends are taxed up to the maximum rate of 35 % or so. The figure varies depending on your personal tax bracket I believe.

    Foreign Dividends are automatically taxed and a portion (approx 15-30%) is held back before depositing the net cash in your brokerage acct.

  •  10-03-2007, 2:03 PM 14377 in reply to 14347

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    Thank you very much for the input from everyone so far.  So from what I understand, if all I do is buy stock and do not sell anything by the end of the year, I should receive a tax form at the end of the year specifying any dividends I received from my stock purchases throughout the year (whether reinvested or taken out in cash).  I'll have to pay taxes on the dividends no matter what I did with them (reinvest or take out in cash)  and the tax rate for either action would be the same.  Is this correct?  Please let me know if I'm totally off here.  Any help would be appreciated.
  •  10-03-2007, 2:33 PM 14381 in reply to 14377

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    Sounds like you've got it.
  •  10-03-2007, 8:23 PM 14437 in reply to 14377

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  •  10-03-2007, 9:05 PM 14454 in reply to 14357

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    Hello chadpatrick

    " I believe that also affects the cost basis of the stock you purchased. Since you paid tax on that dividend, you can subtract it from the purchase cost of your new stock when it comes to reporting Taxes on that new stock if/when you sell it. "

    Reinvesting taxable dividends in a stock does not reduce your cost basis.

    If you buy xyz 100 shares for $5 your basis is $500 reinvest dividend of $25 @5/share you now have 105 shares with a basis of $525.It is just like you bought more stock with money from your paycheck.

    Quote the IRS:The basis of stock must be adjusted for certain events that occur after purchase. For example, if you receive more stock from nontaxable stock dividends or stock splits, you must reduce the basis of your original stock. You must also reduce your basis when you receive nondividend distributions (discussed in chapter 1). These distributions, up to the amount of your basis, are a nontaxable return of capital.

    I know it gets screwy but what do you expect from the Govt.

    Good luck

     

     Dividends are taxed   http://www.irs.gov/publications/p550/ch01.html#d0e4481

    Ordinary Dividends

    Ordinary (taxable) dividends are the most common type of distribution from a corporation. They are paid out of the earnings and profits of a corporation and are ordinary income to you. This means they are not capital gains. You can assume that any dividend you receive on common or preferred stock is an ordinary dividend unless the paying corporation tells you otherwise. Ordinary dividends will be shown in box 1a of the Form 1099-DIV you receive.

    Qualified Dividends

    Qualified dividends are the ordinary dividends that are subject to the same 5% or 15% maximum tax rate that applies to net capital gain. They should be shown in box 1b of the Form 1099-DIV you receive.

    Qualified dividends are subject to the 15% rate if the regular tax rate that would apply is 25% or higher. If the regular tax rate that would apply is lower than 25%, qualified dividends are subject to the 5% rate.

    To qualify for the 5% or 15% maximum rate, all of the following requirements must be met.

    • The dividends must have been paid by a U.S. corporation or a qualified foreign corporation. (See Qualified foreign corporation later.)

    • The dividends are not of the type listed later under Dividends that are not qualified dividends.

    • You meet the holding period (discussed next).

    Holding period.   You must have held the stock for more than 60 days during the 121-day period that begins 60 days before the ex-dividend date. The ex-dividend date is the first date following the declaration of a dividend on which the buyer of a stock will not receive the next dividend payment. When counting the number of days you held the stock, include the day you disposed of the stock, but not the day you acquired it. See the examples, later.
     
    I know it gets kind of screwy but what do you expect from the Govt

     
  •  10-03-2007, 10:37 PM 14471 in reply to 14454

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    Thanks for the corrections.. I need to brush up on my tax law.. sheesh.. My 1st year trading.

    Gonna be an interesting April.




    Chad - ZEroCustomerCOnfidence
    Contact me at http://notanintroductoryoffer.blogspot.com
  •  12-08-2007, 5:06 AM 19467 in reply to 14347

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    This is a good discussion about dividends and taxes.
  •  12-08-2007, 6:02 AM 19474 in reply to 19467

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    Hi, I'm new to these things too.  From what I've read I understand that the corporations pay dividends to the share holders which Zecco collects in our name and adds to our Accounts, right?

    Where I come from, dividends are taxed at source at 35%,  that is you receive a cheque from the Broker for the net amount.   Eventually you declare this tax at source in your Income Tax Form which is taken into account and deducted from your tax liability, for example if you owe $1000 tax to the Govt. and you have already paid $150 at source, then you are billed for $850.

    Has anyone here ever received any dividends from the Corp in which you have invested?  The last I received were from HSBC Bank (offline investment in my country) and if I remember correctly these amounted to 10c per share.  However the market price of the shares is at present going down, but I believe that in the long run, say in 2 years time, things will level out and I will make some profit. 

    Who would have expected this from such a large international bank, whose last declared profit was about $125 million?  Was this a pump and dump situation  that I keep reading about? (although I do not understand exactly what this implies :-)

  •  05-18-2008, 12:48 PM 29311 in reply to 19467

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    hi all
    i have another question:
    Right now i am quailifed for 1040EZ. I accidently bought some intel stock, which pay divided. So if i recieve the from 1099 DIV, am i still qualify for 1040EZ, or i have to filed 1040?
    Thank you

  •  05-18-2008, 2:35 PM 29317 in reply to 29311

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