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  •  01-30-2008, 8:34 AM 22700

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    Okay, I'm representing an investment club. We've decided that our next investment will be in the financials catagory. Is C a good buy at this time? OUr club subscribes almost wholly to the buy and hold mentality, and we tend to be making low risk investments (or small high risk investments), but we've decided this month will be high risk. What do you all think?
  •  01-30-2008, 10:43 AM 22717 in reply to 22700

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    C is interesting because it's too large and too important for the government to ever let it fail. In addition, a lot of foreign capital is invested in it so that's an additional support.

    But the writedowns here have been *massive* and I expect them to continue throughout the year. They're probably going to need even more money to shore up their balance sheet. Could the stock move lower as the situation unfolds? Absolutely.

    For the LONG term is it a buy? You would have to think so. Every time Citi has run into similar troubles (and there have been other instances!) it has paid to invest when they were at their most down and out. A lot of money has been made this way.

    For example, John Neff made a lot of money on Citigroup in the early '90s while running the Vanguard Windsor Fund. I've included the link below to the prologue of his book where he talks about this incident. It's very instructive. You will note that he started investing in the beaten down stock in 1987 and it didn't pay off until 1992. I expect a similar amount of patience will be required this time around.

    http://books.google.com/

    Another thing I would like to point out about Citi is that there seems to be something terribly wrong with the institutional culture. A well-run company doesn't fall apart every 10 years and have to go through a major rebuilding. I'm not sure what it is but there is something horribly wrong with the company's culture. At some point in our lifetime I expect it will finally be broken up and the pieces sold to other companies because you just can't run a company this way for the long term.

    To sum up, I think you can buy C here and it will *eventually* pay off but likely it will take quite awhile, and you will probably have a chance to buy it even cheaper in the next year or two. My personal preference would be to wait until we get some more clarity on the current situation.
  •  01-30-2008, 10:52 AM 22720 in reply to 22717

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    Are you looking for a fixer-upper? ABK, FRE... Maybe those are good.

    I tend to favor GS because they didn't get hit too bad in the recent financial crisies.
  •  01-30-2008, 1:11 PM 22734 in reply to 22700

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    I'd invest in the UYG financial ETF. It will go up with financials, but one individual bank may have more bad news, more writedowns.... etc.
  •  01-30-2008, 3:09 PM 22746 in reply to 22734

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    The financials ETF index might be a good way to go (safe), but this being our high risk investment I was thinking we should go for an individual copany.

    Every third month we invest in a total market index as our safe spot and the other two months of each quarter we invest in roatating sectors (this being the first time we do financials). We also do one high risk per quarter (being this upcoming month). I don't know, I guess I was hoping that Citi's woes were behind it.
  •  01-30-2008, 3:26 PM 22747 in reply to 22700

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    I like CFC for risk. As long as it is under the agreed to price with BAC. When the deal is done each CFC is worth .1822 of BAC. So you can purchase BAC cheaper through the deal than just buying it straight up. Plus BAC pays a good dividend when it's all said and done.
  •  01-31-2008, 8:51 AM 22794 in reply to 22747

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    HEPennyPacker:
    I like CFC for risk. As long as it is under the agreed to price with BAC. When the deal is done each CFC is worth .1822 of BAC. So you can purchase BAC cheaper through the deal than just buying it straight up. Plus BAC pays a good dividend when it's all said and done.


    Well, I could certainly suggest bringing BAC as my suggestion. It doesn't seem that risky though seeing as how they are buying mortgage their risk at a fraction of the original price rather than irrationally taking it on themselves.
  •  01-31-2008, 10:32 AM 22801 in reply to 22700

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    After a slight swoon in the am WM is off to the races.
    PBCT looks good at this level.
  •  01-31-2008, 6:00 PM 22844 in reply to 22801

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    I bought several shares of C before the 125 basis points the fed cut. I think fed cuts generaly help the financials. I like C in the 20's, and I think it is a good stock to hold on to. Besides, you still can't complain about a 3.5% dividend. If it gets back up to 36 or 37, from where it closed today, you could always sell some and take a 30% profit.

    Norm
  •  02-01-2008, 11:56 AM 22889 in reply to 22700

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    This stock seems like it would be a good buy long-term. However, I would be weary about purchasing it with any intention of a short-term sell.
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