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Last post 03-26-2008, 5:23 PM by Strych9. 4 replies.
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  •  03-25-2008, 10:42 PM 25716

    100% Newb, questions

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    Hey there, I am a complete beginner when it comes to trading stocks online or even the stock market itself.  I had some questions with regards to some of the fees when trading using zecco compared to others (specifically e-trade).

    I was looking at the pricing table, where it compares zecco with e trade, scottrade etc.  And saw that under zecco-> Stocks & ETFs -> Free (although i believe its $4.50 if u dont have more than a $2500 deposit right?) So according to this, with just a cash account, i can simply go search for quotes, and buy x amount of company y's shares and just pay the $4.50 fee?

    I guess i basically just want to know the fees for the simplest of trades using zecco.  As i said before i am a complete noob and really do not know too much about trading.  So any useful beginner info would be greatly appreciated, especially if im going about this the wrong way
  •  03-25-2008, 11:43 PM 25719 in reply to 25716

    Re: 100% Newb, questions

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    I really like Zecco since if you have at least $2,500, you receive 10 free trades per month. I give you the basics since you are a beginner and I want to make sure you at least have a basic understanding before investing.

    I think for you, Zecco can be great, but that you should use some generalized rules to lessen stock specific risk.

    I think the first thing you need is an emergency fund and that should be deposited in AmTrust Direct or any bank you can find. It should be at the very minimum 3 to 6 months, but 8 months to one year is better. You can always build up your E-Fund while you are saving and investing. It's a good idea to at least have something to pay emergencies and save towards an 8-12 month E-Fund. As a general rule, any money that you need in a year should be invested in cash-instruments, such as a CD, money-market, short-term tax-exempt municipal bonds (tax-exempt money market), savings, or T-Bills.

    You then need to have an asset allocation. In the stock portion, you may want to keep a cash reserve of up to 20% (so if you have 70% stocks, you may want to have 56% in stocks and 14% reserved for purchasing stocks). You may also want to take a look at preferred stocks as they are slightly less risky and provide dividend income. In general, I think the following works well for someone with at least a 8 for risk tolerance on a scale of 1-10. Bonds are considered to be of intermediate-term (mix of 5 to 10 year bonds) or of a total bond index. The cash reserve is in addition to the emergency fund.

    25+ years                 95% Stocks                                     5% Bonds    (as much as 19% reserved in cash)   
    20-25 years             90% Stocks              5% Bonds     5% Cash      (as much as 23% reserved in cash)     
    15-20 years             80% Stocks              10% Bonds  10% Cash    (as much as 26% reserved in cash)
    12-15 years             75% Stocks              15% Bonds  10% Cash   (as much as 25% reserved incash)
    8-12 years               60% Stocks               25% Bonds  15% Cash  (as much as 27% reserved in cash)
    5-8 years                 40% Stocks               40% Bonds   20% Cash (as much as 28% reserved in cash)
    3-5 years                 25% Stocks               35% Bonds   40% Cash (as much as 45% reserved in cash)
    1-3 years                 10% Stocks               40% Bonds   50% Cash (as much as 52% reserved in cash)
    Less than 1 year     100% Cash

    In general, I think the following works well for someone with at least a 4 for risk tolerance on a scale of 1-10. Again up to 20% of stock portfolio is reserved in cash for future stock purchases (at lower market rates or dollar-cost averaged into the market). The cash reserve is in addition to the E-Fund.

    25+ years                 80% Stocks             15% Bonds   5% Cash      (as much as 21% reserved in cash)
    20-25 years             70% Stocks              20% Bonds  10% Cash      (as much as 24% reserved to cash)     
    15-20 years             60% Stocks              30% Bonds  10% Cash    (as much as 22% reserved to cash)
    12-15 years             50% Stocks              35% Bonds  15% Cash   (as much as 25% reserved to cash)
    8-12 years               40% Stocks               40% Bonds  20% Cash  (as much as 28% reserved for cash)
    5-8 years                 30% Stocks               40% Bonds   30% Cash (as much as 36% reserved for cash)
    3-5 years                 20% Stocks               40% Bonds   40% Cash (as much as 44% reserved for cash)
    1-3 years                 10% Stocks               30% Bonds   60% Cash (as much as 62% reserved for cash)
    Less than 1 year     100% Cash

    Resources:

    http://www.mfea.com
    http://www.morningstar.com
    http://www.smartmoney.com


    I think that TDAX is great since there are several investment options. This might ease it. These depend on your expected retirement date.

    TDDTDAX Independence 2010 ETF24.85ETF
    PCX
    TDHTDAX Independence 2020 ETF23.74ETF
    PCX
    TDNTDAX Independence 2030 ETF22.88ETF
    PCX
    TDVTDAX Independence 2040 ETF22.65ETF
    PCX
    TDXTDAX Independence In-Target ETF25.69ETF
    PCX

    Good Bond Funds

    IEI - intermediate investment grade (very high quality as 98.3% are AAA)
    TIP - long-term inflation protection (very high quality 99.5% are AAA; subject to substantial interest rate risk)
    BND - intermediate investment grade (high quality as 79.8% are AAA)
    AGG - intermediate investment grade securities (high quality; 74.5% are AAA)
    LQD - long-term investment grade securities (moderate quality, 28.6% BBB and 69.3% over A; at least 97.9% investment grade and 2.1% unrated). It appears that all securities might be investment grade, but according to Morningstar, 97.9% have a BBB rating or higher which qualifies for an investment grade rating. It is also subject to substantial interest rate risk
    SHM - provides short-term tax-exempt income (unknown quality as the fund is too recent)
    CMF - intermediate-term investment grade (high-quality 76% are AAA)
    BSV - short-term bond (high-quality 72.8% AAA)

    Stock Funds

    VTI - Vanguard Total Stock Market Index ETF
    SPY - S&P 500 index
    DIA - emulates the Dow Jones Industrial Average


    Trade at your own risk. There are 10 trades per month free if you have a minimum of $2,500 in the account. Taxable accounts have no maintenance fee, but IRAs are subject to a $30 fee at account initiation and once per year. The suggestions given are intended for a mass audience and not solely for your situation.

    Aqua
  •  03-25-2008, 11:49 PM 25720 in reply to 25719

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    thank you for the advice i was planning on the emergency fund :)

    but im still sort of confused and my main question was that of the fees as i mentioned earlier...
  •  03-26-2008, 12:22 AM 25723 in reply to 25716

    Re: 100% Newb, questions

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    adamski433:
    I was looking at the pricing table, where it compares zecco with e trade, scottrade etc.  And saw that under zecco-> Stocks & ETFs -> Free (although i believe its $4.50 if u dont have more than a $2500 deposit right?) So according to this, with just a cash account, i can simply go search for quotes, and buy x amount of company y's shares and just pay the $4.50 fee?


    If you have $2500 or more in your trading account, Zecco gives you 10 free trades per month.  After that, it's $4.50 per trade.   If you don't have a balance of $2500 in your trading account, it's $4.50 per trade. 

    Sorry, I don't know anything about ETrade or Scottrade.   My Day Trading account is with TDAmeritrade and I pay exactly $7 per trade and all their tools (including level 2 quote) are free.  For regular client, I believe they charge $9.99 per trade and the tools aren't free.
  •  03-26-2008, 5:23 PM 25787 in reply to 25720

    Re: 100% Newb, questions

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    Scottrade is $7 a trade, Etrade ranges from $7-13 (probably 13 or 10 in your case) and Zecco is $4.50.  Round trip would then be $9 for Zecco, about $20 for Etrade, etc
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